明德说｜| 走进荣格（10）
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But as I said before Jung was a Swiss and he tended to be an independent thinker and he didn't want is thinking to be subject to the approval or disapproval of a superior figure.
但是，正如我之前讲的，荣格是一个瑞士人，他更倾向于成为一个独立的思想家，他不希望受到上级人物的认可或反对。
As the interested know that Freud lived in Vienna which was probably the main cultural centre of Europe at the beginning of the twentieth century and was ruled by the emperor. It was very hierarchically based culture.
正如感兴趣的人知道的那样，弗洛伊德住在维也纳，维也纳可能是二十世纪初欧洲的主要文化中心，并由皇帝统治，这是一种等级分明的文化。
And the royalty of Austria, the Austria-Hungarian Empire was extremely well and firmly established in the culture and everyone respected their authority and looked up to them with like the kings of the middle ages.
奥地利的皇室，奥匈帝国在文化领域极其出色，并非常牢固地建立起来，每个人都尊重权威，并且像对中世纪的国王一样仰望他们。
The Swiss had no royalty, Swiss is a democratic country and they did not accept outside authority or inherited positions of authority, you had earning your place in the culture. And so you can see this cultural difference might come to play a role between Freud and Jung.
瑞士没有皇室，瑞士是一个民主国家，他们不接受外界的权威，也不接受继承来的权威，你要自己在文化界赢得你的地位。所以，可以明白这种文化差异，可能在弗洛伊德和荣格之间发挥了作用。
Freud as the founder of psychoanalysis expected to be treated as the king of psychoanalysis and Jung rebelled.
弗洛伊德作为精神分析学的奠基人，期待被视为精神分析学之王，而荣格反叛了。
And I think that's Swiss aspect of freeing oneself from imperial outsiders and outside authorities played a role, because Jung would not accept Freud’s authority when it came to psychoanalytic thinking, he would think for himself.
而且我认为，这是瑞士将自己从帝国外来者和外部权威的控制中解放出来，也发挥了作用。因为在进行精神分析的思考时，荣格不会接受弗洛伊德的权威，他会独自思考。
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And this issue came to a head, showed itself very critically when Freud and Jung traveled together to the United States to Clark University in 1909 to receive honor degrees from Clark University, and during this time, they spend quite a bit of time together on board, the ship going back and forth to the United States from Germany.
1909年，当弗洛伊德和荣格一起前往美国接受克拉克大学的荣誉学位时，这个问题就浮出水面，这个问题成为决定性因素。在此期间，他们在往返于德国和美国的船上，一起度过了很多时间。
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1909 年弗洛伊德和荣格到克拉克大学讲学时合影
后面一排左起：布里尔（A.A.Brill）、琼斯（Ernest Jones）、费伦齐（Sandor Ferenczi）；
前面一排左起：弗洛伊德（Sigmund Freud）、霍尔（G. Stanley Hall）、荣格（Carl Gustav Jung）。
And on this trip there were two important incidents that occurred that really where the forecasters of a break that was to come.
在这次旅行中，发生了两件重要的事件，这些事件实际上是预示了即将到来的分道扬镳。
The first one was that Freud had a dream while they were travelling and on board ship they would tell each other their dreams from the night before and analyzed them so they subjected one another to their psychoanalytic methods.
第一件事是弗洛伊德有一个想法，就是当他们在旅行的船上时，将会告诉彼此他们前一天晚上做的梦，并进行分析，以便他们接受另一个人的精神分析方法。
And when Freud told Jung his dream, Jung asked for associations to various parts of the dream, this is the standard analytical procedure.
当弗洛伊德告诉荣格他的梦时，荣格会询问通过各个部分的梦有什么联想，这是标准的分析步骤。
And Freud refused to give his associations to some the parts of the dream.
但弗洛伊德拒绝说出有一些梦的他的联想。
And Jung asked why?
荣格就会问为什么？
And Freud said I would lose my authority if I give you associations to these parts of the dream.
弗洛伊德说，如果我给你说出这些梦的联想，我将失去我的权威。
And this struck Jung as a very contrary to the scientific attitude to the openness dead were trying to develop between them to insist on maintaining authority in this relationship and in this work was not something that Jung would accept.
这让荣格感到很震惊，因为要在这段关系和这份工作中尽力去维持弗洛伊德的权威地位，这与完全开放的科学态度截然相反，这些事情让荣格不愿接受。
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